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Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:42:00 - [1] And the best thing? System is playable with 500 :) Congratulations to CCP on that one. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:59:00 - [2] lol, I love how every post from Shroud of Darkness is so full of it, in complete contrast to everyone else posting. Classy, guys ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:45:00 - [3] Originally by: Kaylana Syi I said we were going to light the south on fire... noobody listened. Its great ISS has deep pockets, although I doubt LV is being paid. So ISS shareholders, how do you like your isk being used? Could have built a new outpost with this type of showing me thinks. It is a true shame that the POS combat systems don't work with 500 people in local. Petitions are open... but I doubt the GM's can do anything since POS warfare is borked and this is an active campaign. 1) No shareholder money has been spent. This war has cost ISS very little so far. 2) POS combat systems? Petitions? I'm curious are you talking about. Everyone was able to anything, in fact it was mostly lag free with only a bit of acceptable module delay. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 01:18:00 - [4] Originally by: Kaylana Syi [ So 10bil in damages so far cost ISS very little? 3 carrier losses? Their cargo? The mercs? The amount of fighters your alliance and allies have lost in combat? Your a blatent liar. I'll make it simple and keep it polite 10bn in damages... lets assume that figure is true for a moment. 10bn ISK split between 1850 members, comes out at 5.4m each. Being honest, I could afford 10bn ISK on my own if I liquidised a few assets. I don't know how much ISK loss ISS would have to take for it to hurt, but I would estimate over a trillion ISK. Perhaps when it reaches a couple of hundred billion you might start making minor inroads. Until then, you're talking pocket change. You can't win a war of attrition with the largest Industrially-based alliance in the game. It just can't work. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 02:28:00 - [5] Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: Butter Dog 10bn in damages... lets assume that figure is true for a moment. 10bn ISK split between 1850 members, comes out at 5.4m each. If you want to count it that way I guess ASCN titan loss was nothing as well. Just 17-18m per member. Number spinning is not cool ok? Okay, well, lets put it another way. Whatever has been blown up over the past week, has been replaced ten times over. Our incredible logistics operation, which runs 23/7, is frankly staggering in scale. Over 600 carrier jump-hauls over the last 3 days, for example. ISS are cash rich, the local markets in KDF/ZX have never been better stocked with T2 ships and mods (with about 55bn ISK of items still to come), we have plenty of spare ships, production lines are healthy, we're overflowing with fuel, and to be honest it all looks very rosy from where I'm sitting. If anyone thinks 10bn ISK of insured T1 ship losses is going to even make us flinch, you're just mistaken, and thats all there is too it. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 02:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Ice Ghost Originally by: Kaylana Syi Most of our large guns never shot a single round. Some did and some didn't. They did fire on a frigate fleet you put near our POS once about 200 people left local. So, no everyone wasn't able to do anything. Obviosly there was such strain on the server to stay alive that the POS's couldn't keep up with the numbers. I'm wondering what was shooting my Dread and taking it's shield off ... another Dread? Someone already admited ISS Dreads being webbed, scrambled and shooted...( not destroyed tho... ) Yes, I just want to back you up there. All guns were working. I definately took plenty of hits from each POS, and have logs to prove it, but with over 30 dreads sharing the gun cycles I didnt need to rep even once. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:58:00 - [7] Edited by: Butter Dog on 18/12/2006 11:58:57 Originally by: Kaeten I find it a tiny bit funy how LV are helping out against an allready outnumbered foe. Just wondering why you guys aren't trying to take back the stations redswarm took over on the otherside? Theres two possible ideas I get in my head, first being yous want proper fights? (never fought redswarn so I can't say how they fight) or yous want help against redswarm after yous are finished with IAC? Anyway sounds like a hell of alot of fun! Keep having fun! I suppose if I was to make a wild guess as to why LV were helping out, I'd say; * They don't like IAC * They do like ISS * Many of their members are major ISS shareholders * They transact a lot of business with ISS ISK talks. Unfortunately so does Tyraxx, which from IAC's point of view aint good as I believe he has been somewhat rude to key LV directors in the past ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Butter Dog You can't win a war of attrition with the largest Industrially-based alliance in the game. It just can't work. IAC put themselves in this mess no doubt. But also do not doubt that IAC will be here long after your mercenaries and LV have left and then the world of pain will start to head for ISS. I don't think a roaming industrial alliance is really going to be that much of a threat to shareholder assets. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:04:00 - [9] Originally by: maGz Originally by: Butter Dog I don't think a roaming industrial alliance is really going to be that much of a threat to shareholder assets. Why so arrogant? I honestly don't think you've seen half of what IAC can do yet, so to claim victory already seems extremely arrogant to me... There is no arrogance, I was merely hypothesising. If you'd like a definition of arrogant, see Tyraxx. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Murukan [ LV and co fielded a nice fleet yes. However if you think the sparse resistence you had putting the pos into reinforced is going to be the same when they come out that's just being foolish. LV you guys have fought a pos war for quite awhile so you guys should know better than anyone else that putting the pos into reinforced isn't victory. On the contrary, we wanted a nice fleet to come back at us. Shooting POS is boring in a safe environment. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 21:22:00 - [11] Originally by: Bluebear8 Is there any truth to the rumor that ISS just hired BoB, AXE, AAA, RA, GOONS, MYRIAD, V, ASCN and a 15 Northern Alliances to come celebrate the Blue Screen of Christmas with IAC? Or, perhaps it was just a contract offer not yet accepted? Someone told me this next ISS OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN would be conditioned upon SEC approval for publication of the next ISS prospectus and stock issue that is going to be released to the public in January of 2007. Happy Holidays! Cheers to the Overlords of Overkill. (Does anyone else find ISS a bit "offensive", yet? heh ... their actions speak a LOT louder than BD's werds.) Interesting that you blame ISS for what you now face. On the contrary, Count publically stated that we did not want war. He started a thread before IAC declared hostilities, which you can see in the Corporations and Alliance forum. ISS very clearly stated a wish for continued friendly relations with IAC. However, IAC leadership took it upon themselves to take your alliance into war, despite the wish of ISS for peaceful relations. When asked to clarify war intentions, IAC stated POS shooting was not out the question. You left ISS no choice. The response to the mistakes your leadership has made is now clear. By posing a direct threat to the assets of ISS Shareholders, IAC leadership have united many against them. So, if you are looking for someone to blame, look no further than the top of your alliances org chart. Your leadership has much to answer to their member base for what they have brought on you. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Metal Dude Hmm. Butter Dog in ISS? What a surprise. Why would I want to miss this one fun fun fun! ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.19 03:27:00 - [13] Originally by: James Snowscoran Originally by: Murukan Originally by: Metal Dude Hmm. Butter Dog in ISS? What a surprise. yah we were all excited he was rejoining cause he said when he did he would stop posting. Dunno what happened to that though I was also looking forward to one less spammer in the CAOD. Wonder what his rank is now though. He doesn't wear it in his sig like the other ISSN kids. I'm 'speshal'. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.19 13:09:00 - [14] Originally by: RichThugster with regards to the last doomsday firing. Did the 2 ISS cov ops pilots know you were setting it off? They were Frapsing It was worth the cost of the cloak, according to them :) ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.19 14:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Kaaii So, what happened today when the pos's came out of reinforced? Any good battles (or bad ones?) just curious Both POS were destroyed. At 12.36 today, Enslaver made the first real Doomesday activation of the fight, destroying a large IAC gang. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.20 16:06:00 - [16] Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Press Officer Edited by: Press Officer on 20/12/2006 14:55:06 Quote: Update: Two more IAC large towers destroyed in F4R and replaced by ISS towers, if nothing changes F4R will go neutral sov in less than five days and ISS will have sov on xmas day. I bet that IAC kinda think their plan to get a few free Outposts has kinda backfired ... What was it ......... 3 Months ago ...... IAC talked about attacking ISS 3 Weeks ago ....... IAC formulated the attack plan and informed corporation leaders 1.5 Weeks ago ...... IAC declare war and inform all members thats its "all the way" 5 Days from now ...... IAC lose everything ...... You planner needs to be relocated to my home town in Siberia Butter dog? is that you? No, I always post with my main. Though sometimes I think I should get an alt like that ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.20 16:07:00 - [17] Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/12/2006 16:08:34 Originally by: Cyllaina Butter dog.. I remember you, weren't you kicked out of ISSN for pirating neutrals/allies in Keshirou? Why the heck would ISS let you back in? You don't seem to have much self control with your mouth nevermind your guns., I dont see the underlying benefit here. Someone fill me in! X_X I was never, ever kicked from ISSN. I don't know where you heard that from, but it is incorrect. As far as the 'benefit' goes... well when I am in ISS, I give it my 100% and then some, and I respect their rules of engagement. I guess they appreciate that. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:45:00 - [18] I have a good idea who Press Officer is, I recognise his writing style. Its not me, I post with my main. He hasnt said anything I have already said with my main character, so using him would be of no benefit to me. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.21 00:55:00 - [19] Originally by: James Snowscoran Originally by: Coby Descent Originally by: Cyllaina Are you SURE?!?! Because quitting ISS before they have a chance to kick you is no different from getting booted out, you know. I'm pretty sure that was you.... -.- Oh well that was months ago and I could be wrong, i guess. But I don't want to be, so i'm sticking to my railguns on this! >_< BD was never kicked from ISS. He occasionally leaves us to persue an "alternate(and probably more enjoyable) playing style", but his heart (and soul) will always be with ISS. Have ISS management considered the possible problems of being affiliated with this pirate? I mean, no offense to you guys, but when BD is going in and out of ISSN, his actions kinda comes off as ISS sanctioned actions even when he's not flying under your flag. Hypothetically speaking, would it be controversial if dead miner's society were used as a corporation that ISSN migrated into when targets are sparse, only to hop back into ISSN when there's a campaign to fight? Cause it does look like that's what's happening, just on a smaller scale (1 man) ISSN accept pirates into the corp, provided they don't pirate while in ISSN. Its quite simply really. Outside ISSN people can do what they like, inside they have to obey the rules of engagement. And if ISSN DIDNT recruit pirates, it pretty much wouldnt be able to recruit any PvPers, since most PvPers have pirated at some point. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.21 02:27:00 - [20] Originally by: BlackHorizon Edited by: BlackHorizon on 21/12/2006 01:58:04 It's cute to see ISS/LV kicking "blues" while they're down. Yet another ASCN ship was destroyed with both LV and ISS prominently on the killmail. Not that I care for ASCN, but ISS are playing an interesting political game. Very weak. ASCN have already stated their position in this thread, quite clearly. Update on F4: The second to last IAC POS has been destroyed. Sov will transfer to ISS tomorrow. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.21 03:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Torshin eh i care a little bit if that counts enslaver?, BD can you shed anylight on what you do with the F4 outpost? Will it become just another ISS outpost or will a buffer alliance be put in place? Nope, and dunno. You'd have to ask ISS Management, I just pew pew. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:32:00 - [22] Originally by: patteSatan Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: BlackHorizon Edited by: BlackHorizon on 21/12/2006 01:58:04 It's cute to see ISS/LV kicking "blues" while they're down. Yet another ASCN ship was destroyed with both LV and ISS prominently on the killmail. Not that I care for ASCN, but ISS are playing an interesting political game. I would stop trying to play such games, considering ASCN has already said, in this very thread, that it is irrelevant as said pilots weren't even supposed to be there. At current the situation is pretty simple though; if people are part of factions that are uninvolved in the situation and they show up, they will end up dying. It's that simple. Go home, everyone has seen your e-peen, now your useless again. Killboard says otherwise. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Silvestri If I'm not mistaken...message to The Enslaver...you said ONLY reason LV is here is because we were "taking ISS stations"...since F4 has fallen and you obviously know that's not true....how about LV go home so we can fight back....at least make this interesting.... The fact that you are -10 to LV and aligned with other -10's might also have a little to do with it. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.21 17:06:00 - [24] Originally by: KIAEddZ If IAC offered the hand of peace, then ISS would be fools not to accept it, plain n simple. Yes right now IAC are getting btfked, but then they have 4 large entities seiging their territory, for IAC to swallow the defeat now and get through this intact, should be their priority right now. If the arrogance of ISS means they are now looking at IAC under pressure and coveting thier stations.... then they need to rethink where they stand, the tides of power and the tables of pressure can turn in an instant, better to be the man that stood in honour, than the coward that struck out in fear. IAC made a LARGE mistake in the move vs ISS, probably didnt expect such a reaction, and maybe werent really looking for anything more than a fun war, ISS shouldn't make a mistake of similar gravity and snub the hand of peace if offered, public opinion is everything in these matters, isk only has so much power (as we have discussed). I think its gone beyond this now. I don't speak in any sort of official capacity, but even if ISS pulled out, I doubt our allies would. ISS are not driving this anymore, it has a momentum of its own. The real question many are now asking, is what to do in the aftermath. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.21 17:17:00 - [25] Originally by: maGz Seeing as MC (supposedly) is the dominant force around F4/JBY/G-7 now, it is totally in ISS' hands to stop it (as they have hired MC), should IAC decided to engage in peace talks. In short, your comment holds little merit unless MC obviously wasn't hired, meaning they're doing all of this to protect an investment. And as neither you nor I are privy to such information, we'll never know. And I doubt anyone will tell us. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.23 12:26:00 - [26] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Great Infiltrator Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Politics > ISK Yeah, politics with the Reds? You have dug a hole that you will never get out of by allying with exploiters. If you have a problem with AAA why don't you get into a ship, put on some guns, make sure to load some ammo ( this is very important ), maybe toss on some tanking gear and then go shoot them and not dirty up the forums with your name calling. As I recall, you guys had problems with AAA, before you got so desperate in your own mess you 'changed your mind' about them. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.23 15:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Sergio Ling I've not really been overly paying attention, and i've not gone within five jumps of the conflict, but I was told (as a local resident who has both IAC and ISS set to blue) to 'stay away from the warzone, cos stuff happens. Which I can understand, there's mixed fleets on both sides, so we stay away. Those that don't, die, and it's their own fault. But I'm concerned about two things with MC in this conflict. One - You have pilots coming into OUR space, shooting our pilots. This is away from the F4R general area Two - According to this you have Maelstrom set as targets of this campaign. Seleene said we weren't targets, yet we are? and why are we? because we have IAC to blue? I'm confused ISS need to clear that up right now. I think thats a mistake. Maelstrom show as blue on my overview. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.

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